{"id":480,"date":"2009-02-16T15:45:44","date_gmt":"2009-02-16T21:45:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bendreth.com\/?p=480"},"modified":"2009-02-16T16:08:22","modified_gmt":"2009-02-16T22:08:22","slug":"theres-an-old-navy-saying","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bendreth.com\/?p=480","title":{"rendered":"There&#8217;s an old Navy saying &#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/newstopics\/politics\/defence\/4634582\/British-and-French-nuclear-submarines-collide-in-Atlantic.html\">A collision at sea<\/a> can ruin your day.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>It can also ruin several careers. One of the &#8220;related content&#8221; articles says:<\/p>\n<ol>\nOne theory being considered was that their respective anti-sonar devices &#8211; which hide submarines &#8211; were just too effective in concealing one from the other.\n<\/ol>\n<p>Possible. Not necessarily likely. Both submarines are identified as SSBNs &#8211; ballistic missile launch platforms, rather than attack submarines. This means that, rather than actively &#8220;pinging&#8221; with their sonars and listening for echos, they were listening passively to what their sonar arrays were picking up.<\/p>\n<p>Sound travels long distances and in funny ways in the ocean, and it&#8217;s not necessarily a very quiet environment. The article mentions rough seas &#8211; there was probably a lot of wave noise as background. Living things make a wide variety of sounds &#8211; for years, there was an unidentified noise that sonarmen referred to as &#8220;the A-train.&#8221; I believe it was eventually attributed to Minke whales, but I could be misremembering. The path sound takes in the ocean is dependent on water temperature, salinity, and pressure, and can curve in such a way that you could be travelling parallel to another vessel that is relatively close and never hear it. You could also hear it and think it&#8217;s in a different direction compared to where it really is.<\/p>\n<p>There are also blind spots in a submarine&#8217;s sonar array. For one thing, you can&#8217;t hear behind you, both because the sonar array doesn&#8217;t usually have any elements pointing directly aft, and because any that point aft would mostly pick up your own propulsion sounds. Periodically, a submarine will &#8220;clear baffles&#8221; by putting a wiggle into its track, changing course for a minute or two so that the sonar will be able to &#8220;see&#8221; behind it, then coming back to its original course.<\/p>\n<p>The description of the results of the collision leads me to believe that the French sub ran into the side of the British sub. I saw nothing to indicate what angle the collision occurred at. First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Jonathan Band said that it was a low-speed collision, so it was probably just bad luck. It could have been worse &#8211; much worse.<\/p>\n<p>Returning from patrol, there comes a point when you no longer have to hide your presence, and are allowed to make more speed. There is a tendency to request &#8220;going-home turns&#8221; from the engine room. Had that been the case, with the French submarine coming up in the other sub&#8217;s baffles, the collision could have been much worse. I&#8217;m glad it wasn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<ol>Eternal Father, strong to save,<br \/>\nWhose arm hath bound the restless wave,<br \/>\nWho biddest the mighty ocean deep<br \/>\nIts own appointed limits keep;<br \/>\nOh, hear us when we cry to Thee,<br \/>\nFor those in peril on the sea!<\/ol>\n<p>UPDATE: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.blackfive.net\/main\/2009\/02\/submarine-colli.html\">Blackfive<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.neptunuslex.com\/2009\/02\/15\/pmi\/\">Neptunus Lex<\/a> have also reported on this story. The comments at Blackfive are more amusing, but the ones at Neptunus Lex are more informative.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;A collision at sea can ruin your day.&#8221; It can also ruin several careers. 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